I think that in many cases practicing Catholics may not be much different than Protestants. He received this name Israel. I mean there are even some people exploring the idea before Islam arose. Conversation with William Lane Craig Transcript What About Catholicism? Going backwards in time, theres an infinite series of moments. Thats my basic argument. Where can people learn more about what youre doing? It does have a cost associated with it, and your support is very, very welcome. Sometimes we may continue to wrestle with it, but its a matter of just taking that voice seriously and the pursuit of truth that it represents. Heures de prire en Chtenay-Malabry - IslamicFinder 1974; M.A. William Lane Craig and Catholicism - Restless Pilgrim It doesnt prove everything about God, but it tries to prove that the universe has a creator, has a cause-. When you listen to him speak, actually, whether its German or English, you can notice the same cadence and rhythm and how he gives his public lectures. Jimmy Akin: What on earth is that? See Thomas Aquinas, Summa theologica I-II, q. Objections In the interview he raises two objections to Catholicism. Kevin Harris: In Mexico, that kind of an image of a very rigorous, vigorous Mary exalted, arms outstretched, very much alive. Certainly that is something Im trying to do in that book when I give voice to the inner atheist and let that voice express its objections in the strongest form possible. After all, Im sure we could all name a number of possible actions that are considered morally wrong under traditional moral norms, but that certainly bring pleasure. Guide us through the sometimes troubled waters of relationship between Protestants and Catholics. Randal Rauser: Some of the other arguments, arguments from contingency and First Movers and change and everything like that, it gets kind of complex kind of fast with some of these other arguments, and this one is so simple that makes it very attractive for apologists to present to people. to both positive infinity and negative infinity. You say that its inconsistent for the Protestant who wont work with a Catholic to save children from abortion. Its also become popular in Catholic apologetic circles to some degree. Andrew Buhrmann penned an article entitled Euthanasia and Intrinsic Value of Life, and he begins it by saying: Life in itself has no specific value to us, other than as the way we can have experiences, and these experiences are what we find to be valuable. Cy Kellett: provides significant evidence in support of premises in philosophical arguments, for conclusions having theological significance. We can acknowledge our theological distinctives, we can acknowledge we dont agree on key doctrinal issues, but we are committed to human beings being image bearers, and we have a duty to save image bearers from unjust killing. So the alternative, Aquinas would say, if God Aquinas as a Christian didnt believe this was what had happened. In regard to the latter, he mentioned a number of classical sixteenth-century concerns about certain Catholic doctrines, and in regard to the former, he said that he greatly admired the rich and. Yeah, because Ive read other apologetic works where the believer talks to the unbeliever and the unbeliever is not really well equipped in those conversations. Consequently since hes the most influential thinker in Western Christendom, although I mean hes a doctor of the church, so is St. Bonaventure by the way. Lets jump right into it then. He actually does a debate in Germany, in German because he learned German during his grad studies. 52 min. I think as long as we seek that understanding and do it in an intellectually honest way, not making straw man arguments, but steel manning the arguments of those who disagree with us and vigorously pursuing the truth, that will be good for our faith and the faith of other people. Support this podcast: https://trenthornpodcast.com Dialogue on the Kalam Argument with Alex Malpass - https://youtu.be/WqHqpG0gwRk Latitude and longitude coordinates are: 48.765301, 2.278100. We would do an open microphone. William Lane Craig In examining the relevant scientific data, you accept the theory of common descentthe belief that life on earth, including human life, evolved from a common ancestor. Is this what you would recommend to apologists who are getting into debating atheists? {1}. Some of them are so far away, theyre very faint, but even if you look with bigger and better telescopes, the farther out you look, the more stars you see. These works are only grace. Theyve just tried to push it an infinite number of moments into the past. I think it is very important to provide arguments to support an affirmative answer to each of these questions. Its still sold on Stand to Reasons website. William Lane Craig's Christological Errors (Monothelitism +) Kevin Harris: In conclusion Dr. Craig, if you were to sit down and have coffee with a person of the Catholic faith, what would your approach be with them? Similarly, I couldnt be a Presbyterian or an Anglican or an Episcopalian because I just dont believe the doctrines that these denominations teach. So this would be kind of the mirror image of what I was saying before where sometimes practicing Catholics attitude toward justification is better than the doctrine. Otherwise they risk losing and dishonoring the gospel. William Lane Craig - Wikipedia In fact, in debate, sometimes its best to put your bullet points up front, put your strongest, most succinct responses, right up front to clarify things, then explain yourself. on this because we could have a new scientific fashion come in 10 years from now that says, Oh, no, no, no. In fact, when I go out and do debates, I really take a lot of notes from how Dr. Craig does them. That may be difficult to discern but I do think that that is the bottom line. I think sometimes people, and its interesting when I look at deconversion stories from atheists and other individuals, I think sometimes pride becomes a motivating factor, especially when its the deconversion of someone who previously was an apologist. Scott Klusendorf : Now, I dont do as many mock debates. But in popular Catholic piety, sometimes it seems that that line is crossed. Heres our conversation with Jimmy about the Kalam argument. So He experiences everything in an eternal now with no beginning and no end. Im really glad that I get to partner with you in that endeavor. In your book, The Case for Life, and it was written primarily for Protestants, which is kind of why I wrote my book Persuasive Pro-life, I said, I wish there was a case for life that had a little bit of a Catholic flavor to it. Trent Horn: When did you write that, back in 1995? Astronomers like Vesto Slipher and Edwin Hubble observed that the light from distant galaxies is red shifted which means theyre moving away from us, and the farther out you look, the faster the galaxies are moving away from us. And if you cant in good conscience subscribe to the doctrine then I think you shouldnt be a Catholic. And they think maybe we are a little too loosy-goosy in ours and are drawn to that from time to time. Jimmy Akin: You cannot traverse an actual infinity from beginning to end by successively adding new units. Mr. Klusendorf, would you say that abortions have always happened? Jimmy Akin: You cannot traverse an actual infinity from beginning to end by successively adding new units, and thats irrelevant because thats not what would have happened if God had created an infinite history for the universe. There would be no beginning to its history. For example, not only is God the source of moral value, but he is also the source of morality itself. Cy Kellett: Bam, and thats something that we have to hone in our skills as we get engaged in these. The reason I know this advice is because of him. I think thats one of the reasons that apologists, whether theyre Protestant or Catholic, are attracted to it because its so easy to present to people that its not hard to follow. Collge Lonard de Vinci - Chtenay-Malabry, le-de-France - Foursquare One that really moved me to become a pro-life apologist and engage heal, because people always say to me, Trent, how do you handle people on the radio about abortion? There was a move awhile back to really elevate Mary almost to the equality of Christ, co-redemptrix. Hes also well-versed in philosophy, especially in epistemology. Some of his theology is Protestant, though, and he considers himself a Monothelite. So in arguing scientifically for the beginning of the universe, we want to be optimistic and say, Hey, looks like we got some evidence here, but we dont want to say, Oh, this is conclusive-, Jimmy Akin: He doesnt want to lead it over to himself. It is an intellectual virtue in which we commit to presenting the objections of other people in the strongest form possible. Jimmy Akin: Dr. Craig: Well, and Catholics now, since Vatican II, regard Protestants as separated brethren. Once again, a big thanks to the Protestant theologians, apologists, and philosophers that have been on the show today, grateful for your work. Yeah. Interview: William Lane Craig - Atonement and the Death of Christ Im so excited to talk with my guests today. Trent Horn: I read what he has written on these subjects. Chtenay-Malabry is a small town and a community which is actually one of the remote neighborhoods of Paris, situated in the region of the le-de-France, central France. They dont think that they perform meritorious works that earn salvation. Whether this person we are speaking with is someone who really knows Christ and is a regenerate Christian or not. We must talk about the nature of authority, the nature of salvation, the nature of the Eucharist, the nature of the church. I think that that comes up with not just listening to our own inner doubts we have, but also the objections we hear from other people. Now, theres a caution about the Big Bang though because even though And this is something Father Lemaitre pointed out and he had to actually Pius XII, he gave some speeches back in the 1950s about this and he was really big on the Big Bang and the evidence it provided for God, and Lemaitre had to kind of talk him down a little bit about, Dont make too much out of this Big Bang evidence because the results of science are always provisional., Jimmy Akin: Now, some of your listeners may be going, wait a minute. Some people will appeal to quantum mechanics and so forth where we cant assign a specific cause to a particular event, but I dont think that really works. Yes, definitely, and to recognize as well that there is always going to be a place for mystery. Trent, you know this because youve done as many debates as I have in recent date. that the universe had to have a beginning because as soon as you try to imagine the beginning, you try to imagine well then what was one minute before the beginning. All right. So you would have lots of astronomers in recent centuries assuming the universe has just always been here. The falsafa school, as you can hear in the name, comes from philosophy. Sometimes I think we do that because we actually want to avoid getting an answer, but other times, its out of sincere desire to really have a thing proven to us, to really have a certainty about a thing. These principles, as Craig explains, would be morally binding even if no one believed in them. In the last few years, William Lane Craig has surpassed Ravi Zacharais as evangelicalism's foremost Christian Apologist. Randal, where can people get a copy of this book and learn more about you? Hes no longer timeless. It is ultimately grace and not works. But nevertheless the bottom line it seems to me still remains that whether through the grace of God or not, I perform works which then merit eternal life. Cy Kellett: Because God doesnt have a beginning and this is a very common mistake when people first hear the Kalam argument. You can check out my book for more on that. I have an Instagram page. So you can accept it or not. Jimmy Akin: Thank you so much, Randal, for being with us today. We can always get new data that can point in a different direction, and today if you listen to scientists about this, they will pretty consistently say, We dont really know what happened before the Big Bang.. If you liked todays episode, become a premium subscriber at our Patreon page and get access to member only content. Your writing is very natural and conversational, making it enjoyable to read. The consequence of morality without a theistic foundation is not so much a different kind of morality as it is a lack of morality. Im not going to say its universal, but its very common for Christians to have questions and doubts and to wrestle with them. Randal Rauser: As best we can, we should try to do it in community. How do you think Christians should handle doubts they may have, but to do so in a healthy way? Jimmy Akin: Craig has embraced kind of an ancient heresy called monothelitism. What would you want to know or find out? He has authored or edited over thirty books, including The Kalam Cosmological Argument; Assessing the New Testament Evidence for the Historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus; Divine Foreknowledge and Human Freedom; Theism, Atheism and Big Bang Cosmology; and God, Time and Eternity, as well as over a hundred articles in professional journals of philosophy and theology, including The Journal of Philosophy, New Testament Studies, Journal for the Study of the New Testament, American Philosophical Quarterly, Philosophical Studies, Philosophy, and British Journal for Philosophy of Science. They do not condemn Protestants. So the Kalam argument is one version of how you do that. These are individuals who have a commitment to truth, a commitment to holiness. It has done so as you'll hear in this podcast because it's been promoted by a certain apologist, particularly William Lane Craig, and also because it's one of those arguments that you can make relatively easily. An evening with William Lane Craig - Catholic Review Yeah, you can never get to here.